From "Obnoxious Atheist" to Believer: Journey of Scientist who Cracked Human Genome

[Petr]

Oh Winnie, please don't pretend to be a capable Bible-interpreter...

Originally Posted by wintermute

Which is funny, because the Greeks had nothing to do with Trinitarianism. The High Godhead is one, as expressed in many ways from Xenophanes to Plotinus. Absolutely simplex, as Plotinus said.

Trinity is most wonderfully multi-angled doctrine, whereas monism (whether materialistic or pantheistic) is soul-rottening and fit for mediocrities. C.S. Lewis wrote that there was something "suspiciously obvious" about pantheism.

Well, some bad news for you: you're "polytheists".

Do you think that such name-calling frightens me? Nice to see you picking your talking points from anti-Christian rabbis, btw.

Paul was a thouroughly - some would say ostentatiously - Hellenized Jew. He knows and uses the words "Mystery" in a religious context. I could give dozens of examples, but they would all be equally non-Mosaic.

I am calling your bluff. Show me how Paul was being non-Mosaic.

The same OT that knows nothing of souls, or the afterlife, but only the coming Jewish dominion of the Earth?

You are lying. (Or just stubbornly spouting mindless propaganda)

Isaiah 26:19

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

You can called it God breathed if you like, but it sounds like pure genie-prattle to me. "Burn animals and mutilate your male children for me and I'll make you princes of the earth".

Your neo-paganism is a big fat pick-and-choose revisionist fake - even Julian the Apostate was adamant about the necessity of bloody sacrifices, and thought that Judaism was superior to Christianity in that regard.


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[Petr]

Originally Posted by wintermute

This 'event' is recorded as fact in your Bad Book. We have no independant Philistine record of the events occuring, so I would double down and say the event was a lie, as well.

Typical denier attitude.

This god - genie, really, as he must be housed in a box - also cannot tell the Jews anything useful about the soul or the afterlife. All he can do is offer to trade foreskins-for-land. More pettiness, more vituperation, and the wholesale replacement of a life of spirituality by the desire for material gain. Behold your God!

Please do not get into those repulsive shrieking-spitting fits of yours.

1 Cor 15:50 "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God"

Did you get that last part, Petr?

Oh, not this tired tripe...

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/physrez.html

This cite is usually contrasted with Luke 24:39: Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. It's clear enough that the phrases compared are different in a key way: "flesh and blood" versus "flesh and bones." A difference that is no difference, the skeptic may say. Really? Not at all. The phrase "flesh and blood" is "a typical Semitic expression denoting the frail human nature." It is a phrase that reflects a conceptual unity, rather than a physical aspect of the body; and this is supported by the use of the singular "is" rather than the plural "are." [Craig.ANTE, 141] Thus, as Craig also points out, the second half of the parallel in 1 Cor. 15:50 (corruptible/incorruptible) is "Paul's elaboration in other words of exactly the same thought" [Craig.BR, 60] - perhaps making it more clear to the Greeks in his audience who would not "get" the Semitic turn of speech. (This relates to the Semitic Totality concept, which we explore here.)

Similar use of the phrase "flesh and blood" is found in Sir. 14:18 and 17:31, Wisdom 12:5, and in the works of Philo, as well as elsewhere in the NT, and in rabbinical literature. Craig also points out that Paul uses the phrase "flesh and blood" in the sense of "people" or "mortal creatures" elsewhere: Eph. 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

We shall be resurrected in physical but perfected and glorified bodies, just like Jesus Christ was.

Let's repeat it for benefit of the gallery, with different emphasis shall we?

It is typical for sophistic rhetoricians to love the sound of their own voice, to constantly say with hundred words the same thing that could well be said with twenty, and try to dazzle the audience by repeating same slogans over and over again.

P.S. Would you care to share some of the 'constant' teachings of Jesus Christ on bodily resurrection? The above quotes are, as you may or may not know, from Paul.

Do you expect me to do your research job for you? Gospels are full of allusions to it.

Matthew 12:41-42:

The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.


Petr

[Petr]

Originally Posted by Timothy Leary

What the hell did you study, then, if anything? Obviously nothing cognitively demanding like physical science or mathematics...

You sure are pretty pretentious for a mediocre, monomaniacal techno-nerd. You are also suffering from clear Oedipal wish to kill God-father, and jes' plain "angry apostate syndrome"...


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[Mackie]

Not really a difficult subject, heretics end up in hell and thats that.

[Geist]

Petr, I dont mean to pry but how old are you? I always took you for older than Uni age, I'm doing an English MA myself, what are you main areas of interest. I must also ask about your freelance work, how did you get it etc.? Its difficult to get a footing in.

[Petyr Baelish]

Originally Posted by Petr

You sure are pretty pretentious for a mediocre, monomaniacal techno-nerd. You are also suffering from clear Oedipal wish to kill God-father, and jes' plain "angry apostate syndrome"...


Petr

This "monomaniacal techno-nerd" happens to have a B.S. (with honors) in biochemistry. In any case, I was correct about you having absolutely no clue in hell about the subjects that you tend to obssess with, and around which most of your insipid spam revolves (e.g. evolution, science in general).

[Luke the Drifter]

Originally Posted by wintermute

This is not about how Jesus learned anything, but about how Paul did.

Using it in the context of the nature of Jesus and his knowledge is . . . slippery and headed towards outright false witness. You should be more careful.

With regard to Jesus, please note I referenced the first chapter of the Gospel of John. I just did not quote it at length, but I will as follows:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.

The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'") And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known. - John 1:1-18

And you think "Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching." You do realize they're talking about the OT here and not Paul's letters, right?

Of course. It is St. Paul himself who is stating it, silly.

You can called it God breathed if you like, but it sounds like pure genie-prattle to me.

No disrespect, but it hardly matters what it sounds like to you. Let he who has ears hear.

You know not what you worship.

Obviously you do not, but we know from St. Peter that God "is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." I pray that the Holy Spirit would bring you to belief and baptism in the True Faith.

[Fade the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Petr

My major happens to be English language. I am doing freelance translation jobs every now and then.

Good for you, Petr.

[Fade the Butcher]

Originally Posted by Petr

Typical denier attitude.

It seems Petr has finally picked up the lingo of his secular brethern.

[Petr]

Originally Posted by Daedalus

It seems Petr has finally picked up the lingo of his secular brethern.

You yourself used to ridicule people who doubted things like the authenticity of Hitler's Table Talks (that even David Irving accepts) - and now you are saying stuff like this:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...ghlight=hitler

"Something else I haven't figured out. Why do we have copies of Hitler's Table Talk? Are these not the records of the most private, intimate war time thoughts of Adolf Hitler? You would think that the Nazis would have done a better job if they were serious about destroying all the evidence."


(Typical Fade tactic: strong hinting but no full commitment, giving space for retreat...)


Petr