Croatia - Slouching Towards Brussels

[R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer]

Originally Posted by Rogerius Josephus Boscovich

Your thoughts Niccolo ?

Jako smijesno. Dat cu ti odgovor malo kasnije.

[Thrax]

Originally Posted by Ricardo Vega

This is the reason why I envy the Scots who are about to have their independence referendum in a couple of years from now. That is if most Scots opt to leave the UK. Unless if a independent Scotland decided later to join the EU, then what's the whole point of independence in the first place?

Let's see how it plays out,there is the risk they will get screwed even more than they are right now.

[R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer]

Originally Posted by Rogerius Josephus Boscovich

Your thoughts Niccolo ?

Razlozi zbog kojih je život u Kanadi puno bolji!

'Pod pristojnim životom ovdje smatram barem dva godišnja odmora na karipskoj destinaciji, mogućnost školovanja djece, tri automobila po obitelji i kuća od 300-injak kvadrata', prepričala je Lana Marković koja već godinu dana živi u Kanadi.

Let's forcus on this part first:

translation:

"With this decent life one can expect two yearly vacations in the Caribbean, the ability to educate your children, three cars, and a 3,200 sq. ft house" explained Lana Markovic who has been living in Canada for a year.

Let's work on some averages here:

2 adults plus 2 children
average cars

1. vacation - let's assume that they go to Varadero, Cuba at an all-inclusive resort for one week, two times a year. That would cost roughly $8,000 in travel and hotel costs, not including any money that would be brought down there nor any clothing that would be purchased for the trips.

2. three cars - let's go cheap and assume a Toyota Camry that is financed. Three of them would cost $1140.00 month. You'd then have to factor in gas, insurance, and maintenance. Gas is at least $250/month for all three cars, insurance would be around $500/month, maintenance roughly $120/month. This totals to $2010/month, a very conservative estimate.

3. 3,200 sq. ft. house - a house this size in Edmonton goes for roughly $700,000. You'd need a 10% down payment (minimum) which is $70,000 dollars. A 30 year term would mean $2,703.04 per month. Insurance for the house would be roughly $4,000/annum.

4. Education - roughly $7,000 per child, meaning $14,000 per annum.

Now, if we tally this up we get:

vacation - $8,000 + other costs = $9,500
3 automobiles = $2,010
mortgage and home insurance = $36,436.48
education = $14,000

That means that yearly hard costs equal = $61,946.00.

This doesn't include food nor clothing (except vacation) nor entertainment.

Weekly food budget would be around $300 meaning an extra $15,000 bringing the total up to $76,946.00. How much do two children cost on top of that?

Average hourly wage for a man in Alberta is $28.16 while for a woman it is $22.35.

That means the male will make $58,572.80 while the female will make $46,488.00. Together that equates to $105,060.80.

If we apply the take home pay calculator, they will take home $74,636.00.

This means that they are already in the hole by $2,000 without spending any money on entertainment nor gifts, nor kitchen supplies, home tools, etc.

This leaves them with zero money (actually negative money) to be able to save to put down the $70,000 deposit for their 3,200 sq. ft. home.

[O'Zebedee]

Tagged in by Nic:

She's full of it. Edmonton is still doing decently compared to the rest of the continent, but this sounds like fantasy city to me. Mind, maybe she and her husband have marketable skills that nobody else has here, one that gets them high paying jobs, but it's still a damn expensive place to live, especially for a family with three cars and a house that big.

[R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer]

Roger, do me a favour and post my post on whatever forum Markovic's post appears.

[Jonas]

Zapad hoce da privuce kvalificiranu radnu snagu, zato takvi clanci.

[Rogerius Josephus Boscovich]

Originally Posted by Niccolo and Donkey

Roger, do me a favour and post my post on whatever forum Markovic's post appears.

I'm not registered on any Croatian board.

But on the other hand, there is a interesting discussion on the portal on which I found the article.

hahaha. koje su ovo gluposti. Kao da su skopirali iz neke kvazipsihološke knjige sreće poput "Tajne".
Izgleda da je net.hr počeo reklamirati sa ovom serijom članaka dvije najdeficitarnije zemlje radnom snagom, kao da su im platili te članke.

Mad Max

Ja evo u torontu nemam niti jednog frenda koji si u 40 moze priustiti kucu osim nekih latino imigranata koji rade kao programeri i software developeri pa su si kupili stan na kredit uz hipoteku. iStovise, dosta ih zive u 30oj sa starcima, a svi su visok obrazovani. Ovdje su stanovi u zoni javnog prijevoza od 400.000 nadalje. Frend mi je psihoterapeut sa 8 godina ZNANSTVENOG usavrsavanja pa u 50 godini otplacuje stan od 40 m2 s hipotekom. Moja frendica odvjetnica iz RH je kupila stan u 28 godini kao odvjetnica i vidim da je u istoj situaciji kao i on. U RH su se ljudi naucili zalit i previse kukat...CINI MI SE DA JE OVO MARKETING ONE AGENCIJE ZA RAMJENU STUDENATA KOJI PROMOVIRAJU SOJ PROGRAM RAZMJENE SE KANADOM PA TREBAJU PRIVUC LJUDE. Ljudi, bjezte odavde sto dalje...

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Prije 20 godna sam bio u Kanadi, u gradu blizu Toronta ( Barrie, Ontario ). Toronto je veliki, meni kao turistu fenomenalan grad ( CN tower, neboderi itd ).
Tada je stanje bilo ovo: stric zavarivač u tvornici kamina je imao 2.500 $ plaće, strina 1.600 $ i kupili su kuću od 160.000 $ ( mortgage ). Dvokatnica, serijska, poput svih kuća u ulici, lijepa, s dovoljno mjesta i za podstanare. Znači skupa su imali 4.100 $ mjesečno a stric bi išao petkom i subotom u restoran ( washdish ), gdje bi zaradio još 600 $. S obzirom da su mu podstanari davali 400 $ za stan, to je 5.100 $, u vrijeme kada je u RH plaća bila 300 $. Tada s 5.100 $ si živio super, ratu za kuću od 1000 $ ne bi ni osjetio i standard bi bio odličan. Da nisam zapeo za studij u Zg tada bi ostao živjeti u Kanadi. SAD je blizu, područje velikih jezera je prekrasno, za vidjeti kako se gradi ( Hamilton, Toronto, Windsor, Detroit, Buffalo, Niagara itd, gradovi u Zaljevu ): to jest Amerika.

Dr. Franjo Tuđman

[Jonas]

Detroit Covjek izgleda ne zna u sta se grad u medjuvremenu pretvorio.