Jews and Bolshevism - anti-Semitic myth

[humanist]

Some interesting info I've come across:

First members of Council of People's Commissars:

Chairman: V. I. Lenin - 1/4 Russian, Tatar, German, Jewish (allegedly, although the relative from who he gets his Jewishness, the records show, was also a practising Christian and was even known for his hostility towards Jewish people)
Commissar of Agriculture: V. P. Milyutin - Russian
Army and Navy: V. A. Ovseyenko, N. V. Krylenko, P. V. Dybenko - Russians
Commerce and Industry: V. P. Nogin - Russian
Education: A. V. Lunacharsky - Ukrainian
Food: I. A. Teodorovich - Polish
Foreign Affairs: L. D. Trotsky - Jewish
Interior: A. I. Rykov - Russian
Justice: G. I. Oppokov - Russian
Labour: A. G. Shlyapnikov - Russian
Nationality Affairs: I. V. Stalin - Georgian
Post and Telegraphs: N. P. Avilov - Russian
Treasury: I. I. Skvortsov-Stepanov - Russian
State Property - Karelin V.A., Russian
Local Government: Trutovsky V.E., Russian

Thus, there was one single Jew out of about 18.

Additonal notables added afterwards coming to mind include:

Internal Affairs: F. E Dzerzhinski: Polish
Social Welfare: A.M Kollontai - 1/2 Ukrainian, Finnish


Politburo members, 1919-1939. Though, I may have made some mistakes by stating Russians as Ukrainians and vice versa.

Lenin - Russian
Bubnov - Russian
Kamenev - (Paternal) Jewish; Lost spot in 1926
Trotsky - Jewish. Lost spot in 1926
Stalin - Georgian
Krestinsky - Jewish convert to Christianity.
Zinoviev - Jewish; Lost spot in 1926
Bukharin - Russian
Rykov - Russian
Tomsky (real name Efremov) - Russian
Molotov (real name Scriabin) - Russian
Kalinin - Russian
Kuibyshev - Russian
Grigory Yakovlevich Sokolnikov - Can't find information; may or may not be Jewish
Dzerzhinsky - Polish
Frunze - Romanian
Voroshilov - Russian
Rudzutak - Latvian
Petrovsky - Ukrainian
Uglanov - Russian
Ordzhokinidze - Georgian
Andreyev - Russian
Kirov - Russian
Mikoyan - Armenian
Kaganovich - Jewish. Purged in 1956
Chubar - Ukrainian
Kossior - Ukrainian
Karl Yanovich Bauman - from Latvia. 'Baum' sounds Jewish. Don't know if Jewish for sure. Nonetheless, executed circa 1938
Syrtsov - Russian
Postyshev - Ukrainian
Zhdanov - From Ukraine; gentile.
Robert Ivanovich Eikhe - Latvian
Yezhov - Russian
Khrushchev - Ukrainian
Beria - Georgian
Shvernik - Latvian

After 1945, there were virtually no Jews in the the leadership of the Party and in the member Supreme Soviet; according to USSR statistics from 1959, there were only 14 Jews out of 5,312 members of this Supreme Soviet body.

[Fade the Butcher]

Yuri Slezkine has an interesting book that addresses this called The Jewish Century.

[Petr]

Here is an excerpt from a review of Slezkine's book by that notorious source of anti-Semitism, Commentary magazine:

http://thephora.net/forum/showthread...light=slezkine


"Comes the 1917 revolution: did Jews, who comprised, as Slezkine documents, a remarkably high proportion of the Bolshevik leadership in its early years (45 percent of the Bolshevik Central Committee, 31 percent of Bolshevik delegates to the First All-Russian Congress, 40 percent of elected officials in the Red Army, 41.7 percent of the governing bureau of the Petrograd Soviet, etc.), lose out now that their capitalist skills were no longer in demand? Not at all. Not only were they, in 1935, 38.5 percent of the “leading cadres” of the Soviet secret police, but in 1939, when they made up only 1.8 percent of the Soviet population, they were 17.1 percent of all university students in Moscow, 19 percent in Leningrad, 24.6 percent in Kharkov, and 35.6 percent in Kiev. In Leningrad, they were 69.4 percent of all dentists; 58.6 percent of all pharmacists; 45 percent of all defense lawyers; 38.6 percent of all doctors; 31.3 percent of all writers, journalists, and editors; and 24.6 percent of all musicians. They were 19.6 percent of all physicians in the entire Soviet Union and 14.1 percent of all researchers and university professors."


Petr

[Utopian]

Jews are typically a city population, and are generally, but particularly in Tzarist Russia, far more educated than the commonalty. Thus, we would expect a much greater proportion of Jews in dentistry, and so on. Although much of the rest of Petr's excerpt has been disproved in the OP.

[Petr]

Originally Posted by Bregowald

Although much of the rest of Petr's excerpt has been disproved in the OP.

What are you talking about? Hallucinating?


Petr

[Utopian]

Originally Posted by Petr

What are you talking about? Hallucinating?

The early Bolshevik revolution concentranted on the cities. Only a small fraction of Russians lived in the cities. Jews are typically a city popularion. Jews in Czarist Russia were typically more educated than the illiterate Russian commonalty. Bureaucratic activities demand some degree of education.

Originally Posted by Petr

a remarkably high proportion of the Bolshevik leadership in its early years

Jewish membership among the Bolsheviks never went above five per cent. Jewish leadership, even in the earlier years of Bolshevism, is much exaggerated, as the original poster as demonstrated.

[Berianidze]

Originally Posted by humanist

After 1945, there were virtually no Jews in the the leadership of the Party and in the member Supreme Soviet; according to USSR statistics from 1959, there were only 14 Jews out of 5,312 members of this Supreme Soviet body.

Kamenev, Zinoviev, and Trotsky were all purged because of their opportunist nature and destructive vision as to what the Soviet Union should strive for; hardly a push to purge all Jews from the party. The likes of Trotsky and the Left Opposition never lost their cosmopolitan ways, and didn't fit in with the Bolshevik agenda. As for Kaganovich was removed from power for political reasons, as he had been a close ally and administrator to Stalin; part of Khruschev's absurd de-stalinization.

[Leif]

After 1945, there were virtually no Jews in the the leadership of the Party and in the member Supreme Soviet

That's very interesting considering that the Red Army contained a hundred Jewish generals during World War Two.

Source: James F. Dunnigan, Dirty Little Secrets of WW2

[humanist]

Rice, I wansn't even trying to prove that the Bolsheviks were anti-Jewish and purging Jews from the party because they were Jewish (although at later times, this appears to be the case - but I didn't even argue that here). Silly kid.

Also, when the Bolshevik leadership was planning the October Revolution, Lenin was opposed by Kamenev and Zinoviev, who were both Jewish. If the Revolution had been a Jewish conspiracy, why would the two most powerful Jewish members of the Bolshevik Party (Trotsky had only recently defected from the Mensheviks, and had no power base in the Bolshevik Party) oppose it? Indeed, they were so bitterly opposed to the idea of the October Revolution that they even disclosed the exact date of the Revolution to a public newspaper two weeks before it was due to begin!!!!! Their opposition to the October Revolution was therefore sincere and they did everything in their power to stop it from happening. Lenin was enraged by this betrayal, and neither he nor Stalin forgave them for it. One of the charges against Kamenev and Zinoviev when they were put on trial by Stalin in the 1930s was their "betrayal of October". Stalin had them shot!!

To argue that the October Revolution was nothing but a Jewish conspiracy is to argue against historical reality. And the Jews were actually more prominent in international capitalism rather than the international Communist movement!! After all, which ethnic group is disproportionately represented in the ranks of the oligarchs who looted Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Out of the two, capitalism is more likely to be a Jewish conspiracy than Communism!!

Not that I believe in either conspiracies, though--Jewish mercantilism is attributable largely to Christian medieval anti-Jewish repression. It isn't racially based.

[infoterror]

Originally Posted by humanist

Out of the two, capitalism is more likely to be a Jewish conspiracy than Communism!

Why not both?

I suggest these arose from Jewish ideas, not necessarily conspiracy ZOG OMFG ETC but either could be true.

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