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Old 11-08-2007, 05:09 AM
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Default The Finland Shooter: his 'manifesto' on the west

Hear about he shooting in Finland? It will be interesting to contrast what the media says about the shooter (angry, confused, misguided etc) to his own actual thoughts which are quite clear. While obviously extreme and violent, i believe he has picked up on some intresting points relating to all modern societies, including ours. Have a read and see what you think.

http://atlantis.dreamland.org/~mnc/t.../Manifesto.doc
http://atlantis.dreamland.org/~mnc/temp/jokela/


"Natural Selector’s Manifesto

How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?

Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere... I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!

Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as "psychological disorders" by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual's personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc... and it is completely normal.

Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.

There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers... and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve.

Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.

Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy

Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it's rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don't realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure... then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.

Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy... you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority... and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.

Three Kinds Of Humans

There are three kinds of human personality types in this world:
1) individualistic human (3% of the world population)
2) manipulative human (3% of the world population)
3) mass human (94% of the world population)

#1 & #2 type of personalities are intelligent, creative and self-aware. They have chosen bit different paths paths. #3 type of personalities are less intelligent and less creative, weak-minded people controlled by #2 type of personalities. The percentages are only estimations though but are based on Gaussian distribution and history of human race and how humans have organized into societies. And this is the way it has always been ever since humans started to organize into communities.

Another way how to divide people is bit different but is based on the same facts, human nature and history. The division is based on the level of intelligence and quality of mentality:
1) intelligent (3% of the world population)
2) slightly retarded, so called “normal people” or “robots” (94% of the world population)
3) highly retarded, “vegetables” (3% of the world population)"

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Old 11-08-2007, 06:32 AM
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Wow, I wonder if he had an account at ANUS.com. And I believe that "power process" bit was taken directly from Ted Kaczynski's essay. Kid sounds like a little wanker who needed some supervision on the net, imo.

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Old 11-08-2007, 07:55 AM
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And this goes in the Aussie forum because...?
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:12 AM
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:09 AM
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"Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race."

...Shows he is certainly looking in the wrong direction to solve the issues he has raised, but nevertheless:

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Kid sounds like a little wanker who needed some supervision on the net, imo.

Which of his ideas do you find wanker-ish, and why, if i may ask? I think your judgement needs some elaboration.
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This kid cited Nietzche's work as among one of his favorites and I can see that his ideas had an influence on him. However Nietzche would definitely say that this killer has slave morality himself. If this Finnish kid was truly a Übermensch, he wouldn't have went out the way he did. He brings up a number of good points in his observation about modern western society though. I often find myself having misanthropic thoughts due to the sheer slavishness among the masses in our modern society. At the same time though there is no such a thing as being truly individualist. Even if humans vary in their degree of conformity, all humans are conformists to some degree.

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Old 11-09-2007, 03:25 AM
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The kid would've been better as a flaming homosexual faggot. He could've at least pleasured the Muslim homosexual population of Kurds and Somalis.
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"Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race."

...Shows he is certainly looking in the wrong direction to solve the issues he has raised, but nevertheless:



Which of his ideas do you find wanker-ish, and why, if i may ask? I think your judgement needs some elaboration.
"I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!"
This coming from a murderer.
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Old 11-10-2007, 06:49 AM
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"I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!"
This coming from a murderer.

Why does the fact that he murdered someone mean his ideas about modern society are not a step above the average persons', or worse yet, that they are completely void? His actions and his ideas are not one and the same. The validity of his actions is based on a question of morals, and morals possess no objectivity what-so-ever. However his above 'ideas' are based on questions of the underlying causes and effects that are operating today in modern western society: and these are points that we can (at least more) objectively judge to be 'right or 'wrong'. I.e. Just because he made what you might call a 'wrong' moral judgement should not discredit him in his factual judgements.

He obviously hated his society, and was therefore not going to worry about breaking one of its arbitrary rules. Im interested in why he hated his society. I think that what he did was sick, but that it was evidence of his level of frustration with the issues he has raised. I feel a certain level of frustration with them too, and often speak to some people who do too.

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